29 Replies to “Witch’s On First”

  1. I had to read that a couple of times to get it…Stupid me.

    There’s always an idiot who’s completely oblivious of the Witch. 3 of the survivors edge around her carefully and the 4th just comes around the corner, takes one look at a crouching human form and just opens fire.

    Or there’s the people who think they can always take a witch on their own, only to creep up very slowly behind her, take one shot, miss or shoot her arm or something, turn to run only to get their back slashed. Such hubris.

  2. Aparently if you use something like the shotgun and aim at her body, you can kill her in one shot. There’s a damage threshhold you have to cross in one hit, or in under a second, or something.

    I want to buy l4d, but I’m being responsible and saving up for a subvolcanic lair. I remember the demo fondly.

  3. There’s an achievement for that Jaz, it’s called “cr0wned”
    Basically you have to kill the witch with a headshot
    The only thing which can do it is a shotgun (even the hunting rifle cant do it)

    You have to quickly run up to her, and nail her in the head at point blank so every bit of shot hits her. When you run up to her fast she looks up at you and growls, you have like a second or two to nail her right in the eyes

    I remember trying to do it with some mates, me saying “ok I am gonna try and one shot her for the achievement”, the rest of my team saying “oh god”

  4. You don’t have go for a headshot, the achievement description is a bit misleading. Her skull is a bit too small to accept the entire spread of shot, at least with any reliablity. Hence why Jaz is correct when he says you have to aim at her body. It is best to walk up behind her and press your shotgun up against the small of her back; so she’ll receive every last pellet of the leadshot and trigger the cronening.

    The Hunting Rifle’s headshots can’t cr0wn her. Instead, if you hit her while she is still crying, they will stagger her. You then have a brief moment to line up another headshot and repeatedly pin her down until death. Though, ideally, you co-ordinate and take advantage of the stagger-time for everyone to freely pump as much lead in her as possible before she recovers and incaps someone.

    Unfortunately, knowing this makes Witches not as terrific as they once were. Now the biggest threat comes from the S-Infected who arrive just in time to foil your master plan; pounce/bile/coiling you just before you pull the trigger with a now enraged witch in your face.

  5. @Anonymous: Witches are never really that bad as long as your team is semi-intelligent about them. I will take a Witch over the precisely positioned and timed Boomer any day of the week.

  6. I can’t wait for Valve to release some L4D stats that say actually the Witch is still killing everybody in the world.

  7. The Witch still gets her fair share of incaps and kills, certainly. Not every Left 4 Dead player is connected to the hive mind collective which propagates these useful tricks amongst itself. Only 18.8% have ever Cr0wned after all. However I suppose only one in a group of four needs to know how do to it.

  8. These days the Witches I encounter are probably batting about 30% succesful incap rate in Versus and Advanced. When they do incap, they almost never get to kill the incapped person (unless the team is very distracted or very incompetent).

    THe other 70% of the time is split up between, roughly:
    25% snuck past
    15% sucessfully one-shot killed
    20% one shot kill fails but a few extra autoshotty blasts fell her anyway
    10% shot from a distance and then had bullets poured into them as they charge at their intended, falling just short

    (If you want to be scared of the witch again, try Expert. She’s kills there with on shit, and I think it’s actually impossible to one-shot kill her… although, would you risk even trying it knowin gher touch is instant death?)

  9. Chris R: “Valve should do something new for her to make her unpredictable again.”

    Seconded.

    Also, I miss the hunting rifle. My poor limp TF2 sniper rifle does not compare.

  10. The witch is the most deadly on Expert, agreed. HOWEVER, she still only has 1,000 hitpoints, the same as the other difficulty levels. And a pointblank shot to the head/neck area on Expert will still drop her in one shot. See the videos on youtube for proof. I got my Cr0wned achievement on Dead Air in Expert diff, but I was using the auto-shotty, so that gave me confidence in my ability to shoot her dead.

    On a side note, has anyone broken down how many people use the shotty? When L4D first came out, I used the hunting rifle exclusivly, but I found that the Auto-shotty is superior for a larger range of situations and positions. Does anyone else feel this way?

  11. Interesting to know it’s still possible to one-shot the Witch in Expert, although I still won’t be trying it in a hurry with that one hit kill as the penalty for failure…

    I was a big autoshotgun fan from the start, and it’s still my go-to weapon. It’s rubbish at long ranges, and you have to remember to constantly reload, ideally after every shot. Recently I have been coming around to the idea that the assault rifle, so long as it’s used in controlled bursts to conserve ammo, is often a superior choice as it gives you slightly more options.

    The hunting rifle I pretty much only use on Expert, where it suits the more careful style I employ there.

  12. Autoshotty is pretty much better at everything but saving smokered allies but if you’re playing in a tight group they’ll be close enough anyway. I use the hunting rifle simply because it’s a sniper rifle :D Also it’s great for if special infecteed camp the witch so you can snipe them.

    Played against a group of people who play versus mode properly competitively, they all used purely the machine gun. Think that it provides the best cover over each other as you’re moving fast with damage, not really sure. We got raped :D

  13. Auto Shotgun will take the witch down if you’re good enough, even if you miss the cr0wn. Just run behind her or next to her, fire as fast as possible, it ought to take her down before she one-hits you

  14. When it first came out I was always using the Uzi / M16
    However I started using the auto shotty and have never looked back, and recently I stopped using the Uzi in favour of the normal shotty too
    I find the autos run out of ammo far too quickly

  15. The Uzi is probably a better gun than the regular shotgun, but once you’ve dedicated yourself to the autoshotgun it’s too jarring to switch between the two, so you’re best off sticking with the two shotguns, as the skills are more transferable.

  16. Left 4 Dead just got patched! Smoker is way easier to use, with the tongue going through rregular infected and having a much wider targeting cone! (Hooray!) Tanks more destructive, able to hit multiple survivors in a single swing, but no longer able to be “parked” (Hooray, except that parts of this don’t work right yet!). The losing team gets to be infected first to help redress the balance! (Double hooray!) Hunters that are on fire do less damage (Ambivalence!) Other stuff I forget! Some stealthy changes to the maps that they didn’t announce but definitely seem to be there!

  17. Yeah they have fixed some exploits where the survivors can get into tight spots that the tank cant reach….

    They still exist though. The worst one is on No Mercy 4: The Hospital

    Here an early tank can be slaughtered for little to no loss on the part of the survivors. All the survs have to do is run under the staircase, and hide in the corner right at the bottom (the section right at the start of the level, with the fire stairs)
    The tank is unable to get them here, and so all they have to do is maul it with auto shotguns

    Valve are gradually getting rid of spots like this but this one still exists. Hilariously for the survivors, annoyingly for the infected

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