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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tf2&#039;s learning curve is WAY too high to even be fun. Trying to get into that game as a new player is a nightmare. Everyone always says &quot;just go soldier or medic and learn what other people do&quot; but that doesn&#039;t do anything because you&#039;re getting killed with 1 of 10,000 little tricks that these veteran players do.

and don&#039;t even get me started on the stupid ass fucking market gardener.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tf2&#8217;s learning curve is WAY too high to even be fun. Trying to get into that game as a new player is a nightmare. Everyone always says &#8220;just go soldier or medic and learn what other people do&#8221; but that doesn&#8217;t do anything because you&#8217;re getting killed with 1 of 10,000 little tricks that these veteran players do.</p>
<p>and don&#8217;t even get me started on the stupid ass fucking market gardener.</p>
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		By: Jason L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is the upside of a closed-server game or an MMO - the ability not to tweak it (and inevitably break it) over time, but to deliver timed and experimental events for a fixed duration. I increasingly think that&#039;s what people should think about when they yearn towards that long-illusory &#039;episodic gaming&#039; wonderland. I can imagine someone flipping through the &#039;channels&#039; and thinking, &#039;Hmm, I wonder what&#039;s playing on TribesWorld this week? Capture the Berserker Bot? That sounds fun!&#039; Then, as with network TV shows, the unusually successful ones could be spun off into permanent mode offerings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the upside of a closed-server game or an MMO &#8211; the ability not to tweak it (and inevitably break it) over time, but to deliver timed and experimental events for a fixed duration. I increasingly think that&#8217;s what people should think about when they yearn towards that long-illusory &#8216;episodic gaming&#8217; wonderland. I can imagine someone flipping through the &#8216;channels&#8217; and thinking, &#8216;Hmm, I wonder what&#8217;s playing on TribesWorld this week? Capture the Berserker Bot? That sounds fun!&#8217; Then, as with network TV shows, the unusually successful ones could be spun off into permanent mode offerings.</p>
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		By: Von Epp		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Von Epp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As someone who&#039;s a big TF2 fan and is slowly losing interest, that graph hit a little too close to home.

In agreement with DoctorDisaster. Some of the purposeful early design decisions for clarity and ease of jumping in and picking up the game have been all but lost with all the new stuff (says the man who eagerly laps up any news of new weapon updates). This probably ties into Tom&#039;s happiness post: at a surface level I *think* I&#039;m going to be happy by getting all the new toys and play longer than I might otherwise just to get the drops, but the pay-off, it&#039;s diminishing.

I haven&#039;t played in the new year, due to all my lovely Steam sale purchases, but whenever they release that new game mode they&#039;ve talked up, I&#039;ll probably get dragged back in (assuming they weren&#039;t talking about medieval mode). Introducing new game modes and special event maps and achievements would be examples of how to keep a game fresh without losing out on ease of parsing the game. They seem to be trying that sort of tactic with L4D2 and the weekly mutations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who&#8217;s a big TF2 fan and is slowly losing interest, that graph hit a little too close to home.</p>
<p>In agreement with DoctorDisaster. Some of the purposeful early design decisions for clarity and ease of jumping in and picking up the game have been all but lost with all the new stuff (says the man who eagerly laps up any news of new weapon updates). This probably ties into Tom&#8217;s happiness post: at a surface level I *think* I&#8217;m going to be happy by getting all the new toys and play longer than I might otherwise just to get the drops, but the pay-off, it&#8217;s diminishing.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t played in the new year, due to all my lovely Steam sale purchases, but whenever they release that new game mode they&#8217;ve talked up, I&#8217;ll probably get dragged back in (assuming they weren&#8217;t talking about medieval mode). Introducing new game modes and special event maps and achievements would be examples of how to keep a game fresh without losing out on ease of parsing the game. They seem to be trying that sort of tactic with L4D2 and the weekly mutations.</p>
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		By: piren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[piren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[lazodiac, play it on a decent pc, then players will be weaker, and you could also fight, also there is a reduced graphics mod which helps a lot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lazodiac, play it on a decent pc, then players will be weaker, and you could also fight, also there is a reduced graphics mod which helps a lot.</p>
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		By: LaZodiac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LaZodiac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, but I hate TF2. Maybe its becauseI use a laptop and thus can&#039;t play it without lag, but I just really, really hate TF2. The learning curve is WAY too high. Even if I lacked lag, I wouldn&#039;t be able to have fun because everyone seems to be at the very epitome of skill, and nearly unkillable.

And don&#039;t get me started on bullshit melee combat. Even when I am in places were I don&#039;t lag, melee combat is and always will be worthless in this game. I was killed by an axe when I was way, way to far away to be getting hit by him. Meanwhile, I am simply unable to hit people, even if I&#039;m right next to them. Melee just doesn&#039;t seem to work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I hate TF2. Maybe its becauseI use a laptop and thus can&#8217;t play it without lag, but I just really, really hate TF2. The learning curve is WAY too high. Even if I lacked lag, I wouldn&#8217;t be able to have fun because everyone seems to be at the very epitome of skill, and nearly unkillable.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t get me started on bullshit melee combat. Even when I am in places were I don&#8217;t lag, melee combat is and always will be worthless in this game. I was killed by an axe when I was way, way to far away to be getting hit by him. Meanwhile, I am simply unable to hit people, even if I&#8217;m right next to them. Melee just doesn&#8217;t seem to work.</p>
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		By: MartinJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MartinJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I very much agree with DoctorDisaster. And I wish Valve would read this and do something about it. I just can&#039;t get into TF2 anymore because there&#039;s way too many items I don&#039;t understand. I can&#039;t be bothered with going through the wiki or the store to check each and every effect of every damn weapon, and I end up losing because of it.

Before, TF2 was always a case of &quot;I want a quick game of something fun&quot; - now it&#039;s &quot;I gotta spend 30 minutes preparing before I can play.&quot; I&#039;ve got ArmA2 for that, I don&#039;t need TF2.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much agree with DoctorDisaster. And I wish Valve would read this and do something about it. I just can&#8217;t get into TF2 anymore because there&#8217;s way too many items I don&#8217;t understand. I can&#8217;t be bothered with going through the wiki or the store to check each and every effect of every damn weapon, and I end up losing because of it.</p>
<p>Before, TF2 was always a case of &#8220;I want a quick game of something fun&#8221; &#8211; now it&#8217;s &#8220;I gotta spend 30 minutes preparing before I can play.&#8221; I&#8217;ve got ArmA2 for that, I don&#8217;t need TF2.</p>
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		By: Crowbar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Crowbar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tsk tsk, didn&#039;t label your axes.  I&#039;m afraid you have not articulated your emotions adequately.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tsk tsk, didn&#8217;t label your axes.  I&#8217;m afraid you have not articulated your emotions adequately.</p>
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		By: LeSwordfish		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2011-01-18-how-i-feel-about-team-fortress-2-in-graph-form/#comment-218808</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeSwordfish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Medieval mode loses a lot of interest for me since all the interesting movement options- Rocket/sticky jumping, force-a-nature jumps etc. It would, for me, be so much more fun if ANY combat took place in the upper levels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medieval mode loses a lot of interest for me since all the interesting movement options- Rocket/sticky jumping, force-a-nature jumps etc. It would, for me, be so much more fun if ANY combat took place in the upper levels.</p>
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		By: Stove		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TF2 is still a constant for me. I&#039;ll be browsing through my Steam library for something to play, but part of my brain will forever think &quot;Well, there&#039;s always TF2.&quot; I did end up taking part in some things that revitalised it for me, though (that ETF2L Highlander tournament, and a conscious attempt to get better at Scout).

And I agree, Medieval mode is fantastic silly fun. Except when I&#039;m getting crushed on the gate or skewered on the way in by that fiend McCormick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TF2 is still a constant for me. I&#8217;ll be browsing through my Steam library for something to play, but part of my brain will forever think &#8220;Well, there&#8217;s always TF2.&#8221; I did end up taking part in some things that revitalised it for me, though (that ETF2L Highlander tournament, and a conscious attempt to get better at Scout).</p>
<p>And I agree, Medieval mode is fantastic silly fun. Except when I&#8217;m getting crushed on the gate or skewered on the way in by that fiend McCormick.</p>
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		By: Jaz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s strange. I don&#039;t feel compelled to boot it up in the slightest, but when I&#039;m playing it, it&#039;s just as fun as it ever was. I think I just want to move on with my life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s strange. I don&#8217;t feel compelled to boot it up in the slightest, but when I&#8217;m playing it, it&#8217;s just as fun as it ever was. I think I just want to move on with my life.</p>
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		By: Peter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought id lost love for it, but 3 years on from first playing it, i still love it. Its still the; think, point, shoot team game it always was. Just with the interesting bit of an RPG tacked on. 

New years eve is my TF2 night. I bought it then 3 yrs ago on new years eve, and every new years after ive played TF2 on the PCG server. Ive no intention of stopping :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought id lost love for it, but 3 years on from first playing it, i still love it. Its still the; think, point, shoot team game it always was. Just with the interesting bit of an RPG tacked on. </p>
<p>New years eve is my TF2 night. I bought it then 3 yrs ago on new years eve, and every new years after ive played TF2 on the PCG server. Ive no intention of stopping :)</p>
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		By: Ronin08		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronin08]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 06:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Medieval Mode consumed hours of my life during the holidays. Which, in part, was honestly due to the double drop rate. 

But let me tell you. The best part about medieval mode: Demoman, Charge&#039;n&#039;&#039;Targe+Headless Horseman&#039;s skullcutte+Red team=going to the top of the castle, using the charge&#039;n&#039;targe to fly down to a sniper, decapitate him instantly, proceed to run around and gather six more decapitations before they finally bring me down.

Also, was finally able to get decapitation-related achievements. YES.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medieval Mode consumed hours of my life during the holidays. Which, in part, was honestly due to the double drop rate. </p>
<p>But let me tell you. The best part about medieval mode: Demoman, Charge&#8217;n&#8221;Targe+Headless Horseman&#8217;s skullcutte+Red team=going to the top of the castle, using the charge&#8217;n&#8217;targe to fly down to a sniper, decapitate him instantly, proceed to run around and gather six more decapitations before they finally bring me down.</p>
<p>Also, was finally able to get decapitation-related achievements. YES.</p>
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		By: Dan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 04:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The unfortunate thing about TEam fortress 2 is that it&#039;s gotten way too complicated for me. I don&#039;t know if the MANNCONOMY had anything to do with it but I find it far easier to get into the Battlefield Bad Company 2 upGrade system. it&#039;s really unfortunate too because i loved and was good at TF2]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unfortunate thing about TEam fortress 2 is that it&#8217;s gotten way too complicated for me. I don&#8217;t know if the MANNCONOMY had anything to do with it but I find it far easier to get into the Battlefield Bad Company 2 upGrade system. it&#8217;s really unfortunate too because i loved and was good at TF2</p>
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		By: Jason L		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2011-01-18-how-i-feel-about-team-fortress-2-in-graph-form/#comment-218762</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 03:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And that&#039;s the lesson, kids. A traditional multiplayer game will usually die, or if you&#039;re lucky turn to a small pond, but a modern server-based multiplayer title they can &lt;i&gt;ruin&lt;/i&gt; at any moment, even long before its death.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s the lesson, kids. A traditional multiplayer game will usually die, or if you&#8217;re lucky turn to a small pond, but a modern server-based multiplayer title they can <i>ruin</i> at any moment, even long before its death.</p>
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		By: Neal Kenneth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neal Kenneth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 01:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Last night, I went on a 4-kill streak with the Holy Mackerel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night, I went on a 4-kill streak with the Holy Mackerel.</p>
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		By: Hovercraft		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hovercraft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 01:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recently properly lost interest in TF2 after two years of not going a fortnight without playing it. Partly due to update fatigue: the class updates were all well and good, and I can&#039;t deny that all the new junk they&#039;ve been dumping since the Mannconomy update at least provides some novelty. But under it all I&#039;ve still been playing the same nine classes, with broadly the same weapons and abilities, on the same bunch of popular maps, month after month.

I&#039;ve yet to actually try the medieval mode, but I&#039;m not sure I can even be bothered. Flailing around in melee-only combat is probably second only to Engie-turtling as my least favourite type of TF2 gameplay. I&#039;ve always enjoyed the Huntsman, but its main appeal for me is the fact that it allows you to get hysterically unlikely kills on much tougher, better armed classes. You don&#039;t get that if everyone else is either also twanging arrows around, or restricted to trying to bash your head in.

Also I&#039;m the kind of stuck-up asshole who thinks that the more recent item additions have completely ruined the game&#039;s visual aesthetic. Words cannot express how much I loathe the Dr&#039;s Dapper Topper.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently properly lost interest in TF2 after two years of not going a fortnight without playing it. Partly due to update fatigue: the class updates were all well and good, and I can&#8217;t deny that all the new junk they&#8217;ve been dumping since the Mannconomy update at least provides some novelty. But under it all I&#8217;ve still been playing the same nine classes, with broadly the same weapons and abilities, on the same bunch of popular maps, month after month.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve yet to actually try the medieval mode, but I&#8217;m not sure I can even be bothered. Flailing around in melee-only combat is probably second only to Engie-turtling as my least favourite type of TF2 gameplay. I&#8217;ve always enjoyed the Huntsman, but its main appeal for me is the fact that it allows you to get hysterically unlikely kills on much tougher, better armed classes. You don&#8217;t get that if everyone else is either also twanging arrows around, or restricted to trying to bash your head in.</p>
<p>Also I&#8217;m the kind of stuck-up asshole who thinks that the more recent item additions have completely ruined the game&#8217;s visual aesthetic. Words cannot express how much I loathe the Dr&#8217;s Dapper Topper.</p>
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		By: DoctorDisaster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DoctorDisaster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 01:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting! I usually agree with you about new TF2 stuff, but ever since the money update, I have found the game less and less engaging. That&#039;s not to say that I&#039;m one of the raging MOAR FREE ALWAYS hardcore -- not by any means. (Well, OK: crate drops are annoying as hell, but not that important.)

I&#039;ve been having a totally different problem: the unregulated glut of new items has made the game really difficult to parse, even though I&#039;ve been playing for years. I&#039;ll see a pyro charging at me with a rake or something and be unable to sort through my brain&#039;s TF2 arsenal section (which was already absurdly large) fast enough to remember what weird effects it has. The set bonuses don&#039;t help, nor do weapons whose bonuses apply even when they&#039;re holstered; you pretty much have to die and wait for the zoom-in to figure out what you were facing. And every time I think I&#039;ve gotten up to speed, another update drops more community items into the game.

Hell, even the supposedly simple crafting system is no longer something I&#039;m willing to face without the TF2 wiki open on the Steam overlay. Is this weapon an ingredient for a community doodad I want or can I turn it into metal? Oops, crafted it and then realized that it&#039;s an ingredient for an ingredient for that doodad. Damn, what a waste!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting! I usually agree with you about new TF2 stuff, but ever since the money update, I have found the game less and less engaging. That&#8217;s not to say that I&#8217;m one of the raging MOAR FREE ALWAYS hardcore &#8212; not by any means. (Well, OK: crate drops are annoying as hell, but not that important.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been having a totally different problem: the unregulated glut of new items has made the game really difficult to parse, even though I&#8217;ve been playing for years. I&#8217;ll see a pyro charging at me with a rake or something and be unable to sort through my brain&#8217;s TF2 arsenal section (which was already absurdly large) fast enough to remember what weird effects it has. The set bonuses don&#8217;t help, nor do weapons whose bonuses apply even when they&#8217;re holstered; you pretty much have to die and wait for the zoom-in to figure out what you were facing. And every time I think I&#8217;ve gotten up to speed, another update drops more community items into the game.</p>
<p>Hell, even the supposedly simple crafting system is no longer something I&#8217;m willing to face without the TF2 wiki open on the Steam overlay. Is this weapon an ingredient for a community doodad I want or can I turn it into metal? Oops, crafted it and then realized that it&#8217;s an ingredient for an ingredient for that doodad. Damn, what a waste!</p>
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