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		By: Actsub		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-173652</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Actsub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 23:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now all we need is for Nick Clegg to read your article and respond in such a way that you feel like a dick, however correct you may have been in questioning things in the first place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now all we need is for Nick Clegg to read your article and respond in such a way that you feel like a dick, however correct you may have been in questioning things in the first place.</p>
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		By: Wesman		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-173593</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wesman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 21:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Mr Bubbles

Rico would just blow up parliment, then, walking away (Cool guys don&#039;t look at explosions) say

&quot;Try operating a country now you Government Jerks!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mr Bubbles</p>
<p>Rico would just blow up parliment, then, walking away (Cool guys don&#8217;t look at explosions) say</p>
<p>&#8220;Try operating a country now you Government Jerks!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Mr Bubbles		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-173511</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Bubbles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 18:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vote Rico Rodriguez for PM?

&quot;Economists, I hate economists...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote Rico Rodriguez for PM?</p>
<p>&#8220;Economists, I hate economists&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Jaz		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-173379</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 14:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nick Clegg: Latest in a long line of somewhat important people who happen to read James.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Clegg: Latest in a long line of somewhat important people who happen to read James.</p>
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		By: Mr Chug		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-173336</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Chug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 12:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lifted from the Guardian website (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/30/nick-clegg-lib-dem-labour):

&quot;Exclusive: Liberal Democrat leader rejects tactical voting, and says the race for PM is between him and Cameron&quot;

Fantastic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lifted from the Guardian website (<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/30/nick-clegg-lib-dem-labour" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/30/nick-clegg-lib-dem-labour</a>):</p>
<p>&#8220;Exclusive: Liberal Democrat leader rejects tactical voting, and says the race for PM is between him and Cameron&#8221;</p>
<p>Fantastic.</p>
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		By: trevabob		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-172473</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[trevabob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 09:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My Lib Dem candidate has done the exact same thing, only he&#039;s in second place behind the Tories. See similar graph here www.nickradford.co.uk...

I&#039;ll be voting Labour anyway though, fuck you Nick Radford!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Lib Dem candidate has done the exact same thing, only he&#8217;s in second place behind the Tories. See similar graph here <a href="http://www.nickradford.co.uk.." rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nickradford.co.uk..</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be voting Labour anyway though, fuck you Nick Radford!</p>
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		By: Rico Rodriguez		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-172254</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rico Rodriguez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 01:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Take that, debate jerks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take that, debate jerks!</p>
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		By: Peter		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-172187</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We should get Rico Rodriguez organising the debates and policing the House of commons to keep out politicians who make stuff up or misrepresent things.

I wonder how many MPs would be left?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should get Rico Rodriguez organising the debates and policing the House of commons to keep out politicians who make stuff up or misrepresent things.</p>
<p>I wonder how many MPs would be left?</p>
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		By: Jimmy!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s good that Dan Foster has transcended party politics.  It&#039;s too bad the rest of the parties haven&#039;t done the same.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good that Dan Foster has transcended party politics.  It&#8217;s too bad the rest of the parties haven&#8217;t done the same.</p>
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		By: Pod!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pod!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I got almost the same leaflet, but a different guy, of course.

Thing is, I don&#039;t really like the looks of this &quot;Sandy&quot; bloke, but I&#039;ve voted LD these past 6 years and I&#039;ll vote them again. 

Mainly becasue they&#039;re the best guys to get some form of proportional representation going..

..which is why I can&#039;t tell if this leaflet is to say &quot;LOOK! We&#039;re proving out point&quot; or &quot;we just want POWAR&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got almost the same leaflet, but a different guy, of course.</p>
<p>Thing is, I don&#8217;t really like the looks of this &#8220;Sandy&#8221; bloke, but I&#8217;ve voted LD these past 6 years and I&#8217;ll vote them again. </p>
<p>Mainly becasue they&#8217;re the best guys to get some form of proportional representation going..</p>
<p>..which is why I can&#8217;t tell if this leaflet is to say &#8220;LOOK! We&#8217;re proving out point&#8221; or &#8220;we just want POWAR&#8221;</p>
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		By: Rich		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-172021</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As someone who&#039;s designed a leaflet or two that looks like that, I can tell you why it&#039;s used on a local level. Even with a seat already held by a Lib Dem, people often say they won&#039;t bother voting for us, because we&#039;re not going to win in the seat (although that&#039;s been remarkably less pronounced this election). The leaflet is used to make it abundantly clear that whatever things are like on a national level, it is worth voting for the Lib Dem in that seat.

Tactics would have to change once the voting system changes, depending on what sort of system we get. I&#039;ll personally be happy for more content focused leaflets. They&#039;ll all tend to repeat the same point, whatever it is, as we have about the time it takes to pick the leaflet up and throw it in the bin to get info through to most people. So lots of pieces of paper put through the door mean more people eventually see what we have to say. It is annoying, but people don&#039;t usually read long policy documents if you put it through their door.

As for what policy we promote, while it&#039;d probably gain some more votes, we&#039;ve never been about altering policy to make ourselves popular. At least for the most part. The Lib Dem membership wouldn&#039;t accept promoting something they don&#039;t agree on. The leadership don&#039;t get to tell us what we believe, however much the media seem to think it works like that...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who&#8217;s designed a leaflet or two that looks like that, I can tell you why it&#8217;s used on a local level. Even with a seat already held by a Lib Dem, people often say they won&#8217;t bother voting for us, because we&#8217;re not going to win in the seat (although that&#8217;s been remarkably less pronounced this election). The leaflet is used to make it abundantly clear that whatever things are like on a national level, it is worth voting for the Lib Dem in that seat.</p>
<p>Tactics would have to change once the voting system changes, depending on what sort of system we get. I&#8217;ll personally be happy for more content focused leaflets. They&#8217;ll all tend to repeat the same point, whatever it is, as we have about the time it takes to pick the leaflet up and throw it in the bin to get info through to most people. So lots of pieces of paper put through the door mean more people eventually see what we have to say. It is annoying, but people don&#8217;t usually read long policy documents if you put it through their door.</p>
<p>As for what policy we promote, while it&#8217;d probably gain some more votes, we&#8217;ve never been about altering policy to make ourselves popular. At least for the most part. The Lib Dem membership wouldn&#8217;t accept promoting something they don&#8217;t agree on. The leadership don&#8217;t get to tell us what we believe, however much the media seem to think it works like that&#8230;</p>
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		By: Lack_26		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-172012</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lack_26]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was a bit disappointed by the repeated undermining of each other that the candidates have been displaying. I still felt that Brown did pretty well though, then again, I listened to it on the radio and read about it on twitter, so I didn&#039;t have to see his face.

Clegg didn&#039;t say much, Cameron spoke a lot and spoke well but didn&#039;t actually say a great deal about his policies. Brown actually came across as knowing more about his polices, but his presentation has always been more subdued.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a bit disappointed by the repeated undermining of each other that the candidates have been displaying. I still felt that Brown did pretty well though, then again, I listened to it on the radio and read about it on twitter, so I didn&#8217;t have to see his face.</p>
<p>Clegg didn&#8217;t say much, Cameron spoke a lot and spoke well but didn&#8217;t actually say a great deal about his policies. Brown actually came across as knowing more about his polices, but his presentation has always been more subdued.</p>
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		By: Sympathetic Canuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sympathetic Canuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I read your initial post and completely agreed.

This whole &quot;Win/Lose&quot; metaphor has gone too far. It&#039;s like &quot;winning&quot; a survey, by gaming it.

Scenario 1) The elected politician looks out for the public interest (yeah, I know)
Scenario 2) The elected politician looks out for his own interests

Either way, he&#039;s looking at the voting results and pandering/skewing his actions to hit their perceived interests.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your initial post and completely agreed.</p>
<p>This whole &#8220;Win/Lose&#8221; metaphor has gone too far. It&#8217;s like &#8220;winning&#8221; a survey, by gaming it.</p>
<p>Scenario 1) The elected politician looks out for the public interest (yeah, I know)<br />
Scenario 2) The elected politician looks out for his own interests</p>
<p>Either way, he&#8217;s looking at the voting results and pandering/skewing his actions to hit their perceived interests.</p>
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		By: nine		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-171950</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re wishing for the existance of a voting system so perfect that not even neckbearded mathematicians account for it in their voting theory papers.

You also complain that political parties aren&#039;t lying to you about the most valuable way to spend your vote. At least you&#039;re consistently idealistic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re wishing for the existance of a voting system so perfect that not even neckbearded mathematicians account for it in their voting theory papers.</p>
<p>You also complain that political parties aren&#8217;t lying to you about the most valuable way to spend your vote. At least you&#8217;re consistently idealistic.</p>
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		By: Dan Pryce		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2010-04-30-on-second-thoughts-i-give-up/#comment-171936</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Pryce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As far as I know, the Lib Dems are the only ones promising to do something about the Digital Economy Act (I hate calling it an act). Until Labour or the Tories either promise to do it AND get Evil Genius 2 made, the Lib Dems have got my vote.

Win win for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, the Lib Dems are the only ones promising to do something about the Digital Economy Act (I hate calling it an act). Until Labour or the Tories either promise to do it AND get Evil Genius 2 made, the Lib Dems have got my vote.</p>
<p>Win win for me.</p>
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		By: BrianDawg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrianDawg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel the same way in the states.  I was so turned off by our televised debates because nobody would give you a straight answer.  Everything is generic crap like &quot;So and so hates American and freedom&quot; and &quot;So and so wants to clean up Washington!&quot;  It&#039;s never about anything with substance, specific initiatives, or specific policies or votes.  It sucks :(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel the same way in the states.  I was so turned off by our televised debates because nobody would give you a straight answer.  Everything is generic crap like &#8220;So and so hates American and freedom&#8221; and &#8220;So and so wants to clean up Washington!&#8221;  It&#8217;s never about anything with substance, specific initiatives, or specific policies or votes.  It sucks :(</p>
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		By: Jaz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Same here with the SNP leaflets. &quot;Two horse race&quot;. 

@Mike: I&#039;d like the Lib Dems to get in and reform the voting system. After that, any party can get a big chunk of seats with a big chunk of votes, and I&#039;ll look at some smaller players.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here with the SNP leaflets. &#8220;Two horse race&#8221;. </p>
<p>@Mike: I&#8217;d like the Lib Dems to get in and reform the voting system. After that, any party can get a big chunk of seats with a big chunk of votes, and I&#8217;ll look at some smaller players.</p>
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		By: Mike Arthur		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Arthur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s pretty infuriating but then again, the Lib Dems aren&#039;t perfect and they will try and game the system in the areas they can.

I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll be a lifelong Lib Dem voter but at the moment they are the best hope, I think, of having a genuinely different way of doing things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty infuriating but then again, the Lib Dems aren&#8217;t perfect and they will try and game the system in the areas they can.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be a lifelong Lib Dem voter but at the moment they are the best hope, I think, of having a genuinely different way of doing things.</p>
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		By: Tweets that mention On Second Thoughts, I Give Up, by Tom Francis -- Topsy.com		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tweets that mention On Second Thoughts, I Give Up, by Tom Francis -- Topsy.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Tom Francis. Tom Francis said: This came through the door today: http://bit.ly/cCoQhs Come on, Liberal Democrat MP Don Foster, don&#039;t you even read my blog? [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Tom Francis. Tom Francis said: This came through the door today: <a href="http://bit.ly/cCoQhs" rel="nofollow ugc">http://bit.ly/cCoQhs</a> Come on, Liberal Democrat MP Don Foster, don&#39;t you even read my blog? [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: roBurky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[roBurky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been the same with the Liberal Democrat leaflets here. The last one was in the form of a short letter, where the LibDem candidate mentioned that labour can&#039;t win about four or five times in the text, and ended with &quot;P.S. Labour can&#039;t win&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been the same with the Liberal Democrat leaflets here. The last one was in the form of a short letter, where the LibDem candidate mentioned that labour can&#8217;t win about four or five times in the text, and ended with &#8220;P.S. Labour can&#8217;t win&#8221;.</p>
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