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		By: Jason L		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-05-25-not-the-finale-post/#comment-23052</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Much later, as ever - didn&#039;t the pirate fleet sort of spawn a giant angry woman, a howling tempest and a fleet-swallowing Charybdis during the duel? I can think of worse ways to demoralise an enemy fleet. On the other hand, I only remember five minutes of the latter PotC films with any clarity, so maybe that happened after. Blah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much later, as ever &#8211; didn&#8217;t the pirate fleet sort of spawn a giant angry woman, a howling tempest and a fleet-swallowing Charybdis during the duel? I can think of worse ways to demoralise an enemy fleet. On the other hand, I only remember five minutes of the latter PotC films with any clarity, so maybe that happened after. Blah.</p>
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		By: bob_Arctor		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-05-25-not-the-finale-post/#comment-16578</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 10:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dunno about that. I don&#039;t really game enough to enjoy Eve but I love reading about it.

I prefer reading about MMOs than actually bothering play any.

Mind you I spend more time mapping than gaming anyhow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno about that. I don&#8217;t really game enough to enjoy Eve but I love reading about it.</p>
<p>I prefer reading about MMOs than actually bothering play any.</p>
<p>Mind you I spend more time mapping than gaming anyhow.</p>
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		By: The_B		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-05-25-not-the-finale-post/#comment-16556</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The_B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 01:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think I follow a similar school of thought as you Tom - I too find paricipation more enjoyable than a passive bystander, and I enjoy writing more than reading. I&#039;m not sure if that&#039;s a comment on (and yes, it seems cocky, but given the response you&#039;ve gotten thus far from the Gal Civ blog, I hope you don&#039;t mind me making this theory) -but I hazard to say that it could almost be something that marks out &quot;great&quot; games journalism from &quot;good&quot; games journalism, and I think this makes for better gaming culture stories overall, when it&#039;s from the viewpoint of someone who the event has actually occured to.

And thus we also have the inherit problem - the same stuff isn&#039;t most likely going to happen to someone else and almost not in the same way. Some people are likely to come away dissapointed. However, those whom can follow the game in the same way they read the article are of course, going to get the most enjoyment. In theory I&#039;d say people whom don&#039;t enjoy it are probably the more &#039;casual&#039; gamers, and those that do enjoy it the most are going to be those that are more dedicated gamers. In a way, I suppose genre will come into it as another factor too.

Apologies if I&#039;m just repeating what you said in a different way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I follow a similar school of thought as you Tom &#8211; I too find paricipation more enjoyable than a passive bystander, and I enjoy writing more than reading. I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s a comment on (and yes, it seems cocky, but given the response you&#8217;ve gotten thus far from the Gal Civ blog, I hope you don&#8217;t mind me making this theory) -but I hazard to say that it could almost be something that marks out &#8220;great&#8221; games journalism from &#8220;good&#8221; games journalism, and I think this makes for better gaming culture stories overall, when it&#8217;s from the viewpoint of someone who the event has actually occured to.</p>
<p>And thus we also have the inherit problem &#8211; the same stuff isn&#8217;t most likely going to happen to someone else and almost not in the same way. Some people are likely to come away dissapointed. However, those whom can follow the game in the same way they read the article are of course, going to get the most enjoyment. In theory I&#8217;d say people whom don&#8217;t enjoy it are probably the more &#8216;casual&#8217; gamers, and those that do enjoy it the most are going to be those that are more dedicated gamers. In a way, I suppose genre will come into it as another factor too.</p>
<p>Apologies if I&#8217;m just repeating what you said in a different way.</p>
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		By: Pentadact		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-05-25-not-the-finale-post/#comment-16540</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pentadact]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are two claims here, and I disagree with one of them. It&#039;s fair to say that in a given fifteen minute period, these games are probably more fun to read about than to play. But it hasn&#039;t been true in my experience that the stories themselves are more fun to read about than live through. 

Of course no one person has had an untainted experience of both, but I enjoyed that GalCiv game enormously, even more than I enjoyed writing about it. And I typically enjoy writing about such things more than I enjoy reading a good one by someone else. That&#039;s &lt;em&gt;science&lt;/em&gt;.

I wrote about the Guiding Hand Social Club and didn&#039;t live through their hits, but the few story-worthy things that have happened to me in Eve were fantastic. The problem with that game is that it&#039;s so hard to get to them. Conversely, I think GalCiv gets you to the madness pretty quickly and reliably.

Al, is it possible Benedict Cumberbatch changed his name at some point? It&#039;s hard to believe someone could be &lt;em&gt;born&lt;/em&gt; that British without actually being royalty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two claims here, and I disagree with one of them. It&#8217;s fair to say that in a given fifteen minute period, these games are probably more fun to read about than to play. But it hasn&#8217;t been true in my experience that the stories themselves are more fun to read about than live through. </p>
<p>Of course no one person has had an untainted experience of both, but I enjoyed that GalCiv game enormously, even more than I enjoyed writing about it. And I typically enjoy writing about such things more than I enjoy reading a good one by someone else. That&#8217;s <em>science</em>.</p>
<p>I wrote about the Guiding Hand Social Club and didn&#8217;t live through their hits, but the few story-worthy things that have happened to me in Eve were fantastic. The problem with that game is that it&#8217;s so hard to get to them. Conversely, I think GalCiv gets you to the madness pretty quickly and reliably.</p>
<p>Al, is it possible Benedict Cumberbatch changed his name at some point? It&#8217;s hard to believe someone could be <em>born</em> that British without actually being royalty.</p>
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		By: Jason L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 14:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Someone else has actually made the same comment at one of the threads he linked. Both EVE and GalCiv generate stories which are more interesting to hear than to actually play.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone else has actually made the same comment at one of the threads he linked. Both EVE and GalCiv generate stories which are more interesting to hear than to actually play.</p>
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		By: Alex Holland		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-05-25-not-the-finale-post/#comment-16424</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Holland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 09:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you haven&#039;t already seen them, I should recommend two rather excellent Nautical outings. Firstly, Master &#038; Commander, which like LA Confidential lets you forget Russell Crowe is a pillock and enjoy his acting, and secondly the BBC&#039;s underwatched To The Ends of the Earth trilogy, based on William Goulding&#039;s books, and starring future stuffy British actor extraordinaire, Benedict Cumberbatch.

The former is a thoughtful take on the same Napoleonic Wars turf as Hornblower. The latter is set in an old ship-of-the-line which has been refitted as a passenger transit to Australia, during the closing days of the Napoleonic wars. Both deal very well with both the superstitious, cabin fever mentality that infects all on board, the grim (and mundane) details of military warfare, and also the mind-crushing boredom of being stuck at sea for months on end. The narrator of the latter is also someone who understands absolutely nothing about masts and rigging, so it&#039;s quite a sympathetic introduction for the uninitiated.

Hopefully, one day Ioan Gruffudd will get sick of Hollywood (or vice versa) and they&#039;ll finish filming the later Hornblower books, when he&#039;s captain of his own ship. They&#039;re infectious Boy&#039;s Own stories of a variety that I always thought I&#039;d be immune to, and my God, they&#039;re page turners.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you haven&#8217;t already seen them, I should recommend two rather excellent Nautical outings. Firstly, Master &amp; Commander, which like LA Confidential lets you forget Russell Crowe is a pillock and enjoy his acting, and secondly the BBC&#8217;s underwatched To The Ends of the Earth trilogy, based on William Goulding&#8217;s books, and starring future stuffy British actor extraordinaire, Benedict Cumberbatch.</p>
<p>The former is a thoughtful take on the same Napoleonic Wars turf as Hornblower. The latter is set in an old ship-of-the-line which has been refitted as a passenger transit to Australia, during the closing days of the Napoleonic wars. Both deal very well with both the superstitious, cabin fever mentality that infects all on board, the grim (and mundane) details of military warfare, and also the mind-crushing boredom of being stuck at sea for months on end. The narrator of the latter is also someone who understands absolutely nothing about masts and rigging, so it&#8217;s quite a sympathetic introduction for the uninitiated.</p>
<p>Hopefully, one day Ioan Gruffudd will get sick of Hollywood (or vice versa) and they&#8217;ll finish filming the later Hornblower books, when he&#8217;s captain of his own ship. They&#8217;re infectious Boy&#8217;s Own stories of a variety that I always thought I&#8217;d be immune to, and my God, they&#8217;re page turners.</p>
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		By: Tentaculat		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-05-25-not-the-finale-post/#comment-16388</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tentaculat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 20:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps Tom, you will be kind enough to edit my hideous mistakes in that comment.  Grammatically speaking of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Tom, you will be kind enough to edit my hideous mistakes in that comment.  Grammatically speaking of course.</p>
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		By: Tentaculat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tentaculat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 20:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[New Games Journalism can bite me, and so can GalCiv 2.

How can it be that I enjoyed reading this (excellent) diary more than I did playing the game itself?  As a pro writer, don&#039;t you cringe at the poor Douglas Adams-esque attempts at humour?  &quot;Space is really big, huge in fact&quot; - er yeah, hah hah.  I can&#039;t stand it. Is this game nothing more than a slightly shinier Master of Orion 2?

Why do I allow myself to be persuaded by these New Games Journalists into buying games that really aren&#039;t that great? Like EVE online; it has made for some great stories, and journalists seem to love writing about it.  I bought that game immediately after reading about the Guiding Hand Social Club. And it&#039;s crap.

&quot;Live that Iain M. Banks dream&quot; PC Gamer UK tells me.  I don&#039;t know what Iain M. Banks dreams about, but considering that his books have lots of sex and funny robots going on really daring adventures it&#039;s probably a lot more exciting than &quot;WARPING TO STARGATE.&quot;

I can&#039;t help but view games journalism with anything other cynicism these days.  Bring back Amiga power, that&#039;s all I have to say!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Games Journalism can bite me, and so can GalCiv 2.</p>
<p>How can it be that I enjoyed reading this (excellent) diary more than I did playing the game itself?  As a pro writer, don&#8217;t you cringe at the poor Douglas Adams-esque attempts at humour?  &#8220;Space is really big, huge in fact&#8221; &#8211; er yeah, hah hah.  I can&#8217;t stand it. Is this game nothing more than a slightly shinier Master of Orion 2?</p>
<p>Why do I allow myself to be persuaded by these New Games Journalists into buying games that really aren&#8217;t that great? Like EVE online; it has made for some great stories, and journalists seem to love writing about it.  I bought that game immediately after reading about the Guiding Hand Social Club. And it&#8217;s crap.</p>
<p>&#8220;Live that Iain M. Banks dream&#8221; PC Gamer UK tells me.  I don&#8217;t know what Iain M. Banks dreams about, but considering that his books have lots of sex and funny robots going on really daring adventures it&#8217;s probably a lot more exciting than &#8220;WARPING TO STARGATE.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but view games journalism with anything other cynicism these days.  Bring back Amiga power, that&#8217;s all I have to say!</p>
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		By: Jason L		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-05-25-not-the-finale-post/#comment-16326</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;New Games Journalism&#039; at its best. I enjoyed the hell out of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;New Games Journalism&#8217; at its best. I enjoyed the hell out of it.</p>
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		By: The_B		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-05-25-not-the-finale-post/#comment-16295</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The_B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 01:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wave your hands about while you type the spoilers, then nobody will read them.

Otherwise use pig latin, I already read from John&#039;s that Lyarsay oesn&#039;tday uiteqay Ieday, and Eterpay and Athannay lowbay upay...


Orrysay.

Aside: There are a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; of Tom Francis&#039; on Facebook.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wave your hands about while you type the spoilers, then nobody will read them.</p>
<p>Otherwise use pig latin, I already read from John&#8217;s that Lyarsay oesn&#8217;tday uiteqay Ieday, and Eterpay and Athannay lowbay upay&#8230;</p>
<p>Orrysay.</p>
<p>Aside: There are a <i>lot</i> of Tom Francis&#8217; on Facebook.</p>
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