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		By: Jason L		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-01-10-ipwn/#comment-9486</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Alex Holland: A tiny attempt to be helpful if she&#039;s typing words - not many people know about Dasher (  http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ ). I&#039;ve used it and it works.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex Holland: A tiny attempt to be helpful if she&#8217;s typing words &#8211; not many people know about Dasher (  <a href="http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/</a> ). I&#8217;ve used it and it works.</p>
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		By: Alex Holland		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-01-10-ipwn/#comment-9484</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Holland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, plenty of patents, but not it seems &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6250511.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the right to use the name&lt;/a&gt;.

I personally use OS X because it&#039;s a happy middleground between Windows and Linux; I&#039;ve got a good CLI and free developy bits if I want them, but I also have essential bits of software (Office, Photoshop, Civ 3) and a system that doesn&#039;t need too much fiddling with. I agree that some bits of the UI are utterly broken though, and I don&#039;t even begin to understand the logic behind iPhoto&#039;s UI. My preferred commentator on OS X (un)usability is John Siracusa at &lt;a href=&quot;http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ars Technica&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, plenty of patents, but not it seems <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6250511.stm" rel="nofollow">the right to use the name</a>.</p>
<p>I personally use OS X because it&#8217;s a happy middleground between Windows and Linux; I&#8217;ve got a good CLI and free developy bits if I want them, but I also have essential bits of software (Office, Photoshop, Civ 3) and a system that doesn&#8217;t need too much fiddling with. I agree that some bits of the UI are utterly broken though, and I don&#8217;t even begin to understand the logic behind iPhoto&#8217;s UI. My preferred commentator on OS X (un)usability is John Siracusa at <a href="http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars" rel="nofollow">Ars Technica</a>.</p>
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		By: Jason L		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-01-10-ipwn/#comment-9482</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, though you can&#039;t see it in that article, elsewhere he&#039;s constantly admitting mistakes and limitations and encouraging (for various features) Apple to copy MS, MS to copy Apple, everybody to copy Be, Apple to copy themselves...I think he cares more about getting things right than political gain. The &quot;sucking&quot; idea applies not to the option the designer thinks likely but to the menu as a whole, and is immediately noted as potentially frustrating. On reflection if I&#039;d wanted to give a more positive impression of him, I should have linked to his &quot;Reasons the Dock Still Sucks&quot; piece. I didn&#039;t because my attempted point wasn&#039;t Fitts&#039; Law or Tog himself, but my suspicion that unbeknownst to the public Apple has shifted from a culture of sober UI design to a culture of immediate salable flash.&lt;p&gt;

Science knows I abhor the idea of the big boys just stepping in an outproducing idea men out of existence, but I&#039;m really beginning to wonder if the current patent situation isn&#039;t doing more harm than good - whether we should we go to a policy of nonrenewal, so it&#039;s just a head start and a chance to make a name. Bastard lawyers getting patents for decades on the idea of User Interaction To Prevent Boredom, Using Two Motors Instead of One or Round fucking Buttons makes my blood boil, and those are far from exceptional cases these days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, though you can&#8217;t see it in that article, elsewhere he&#8217;s constantly admitting mistakes and limitations and encouraging (for various features) Apple to copy MS, MS to copy Apple, everybody to copy Be, Apple to copy themselves&#8230;I think he cares more about getting things right than political gain. The &#8220;sucking&#8221; idea applies not to the option the designer thinks likely but to the menu as a whole, and is immediately noted as potentially frustrating. On reflection if I&#8217;d wanted to give a more positive impression of him, I should have linked to his &#8220;Reasons the Dock Still Sucks&#8221; piece. I didn&#8217;t because my attempted point wasn&#8217;t Fitts&#8217; Law or Tog himself, but my suspicion that unbeknownst to the public Apple has shifted from a culture of sober UI design to a culture of immediate salable flash.</p>
<p>Science knows I abhor the idea of the big boys just stepping in an outproducing idea men out of existence, but I&#8217;m really beginning to wonder if the current patent situation isn&#8217;t doing more harm than good &#8211; whether we should we go to a policy of nonrenewal, so it&#8217;s just a head start and a chance to make a name. Bastard lawyers getting patents for decades on the idea of User Interaction To Prevent Boredom, Using Two Motors Instead of One or Round fucking Buttons makes my blood boil, and those are far from exceptional cases these days.</p>
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		By: Pentadact		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-01-10-ipwn/#comment-9477</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pentadact]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Heh. While he&#039;s right that Fitt&#039;s law isn&#039;t often given enough thought (Hitman: Blood Money&#039;s menus are actually designed to defy it), that questionaire degenerates into rather bitter renditions of &quot;Explain in your own words why I am right and everyone who copied my stuff is stupid and ugly.&quot; I&#039;m also not sure anyone who suggests &#039;sucking&#039; the cursor toward the option they think the user wants should be preaching about usability.

I noticed Apple considered the number of patents the device contained as a selling point. It&#039;s a hint of that creepy marketing attitude, like references to &#039;shipping product&#039; and &lt;b&gt;&#039;SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS&#039;&lt;/b&gt;, that make you slightly uneasy to have been sharing these people&#039;s excitement a moment before. Like when someone mentions God a little too spontaneously, just when you thought they seemed sane.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. While he&#8217;s right that Fitt&#8217;s law isn&#8217;t often given enough thought (Hitman: Blood Money&#8217;s menus are actually designed to defy it), that questionaire degenerates into rather bitter renditions of &#8220;Explain in your own words why I am right and everyone who copied my stuff is stupid and ugly.&#8221; I&#8217;m also not sure anyone who suggests &#8216;sucking&#8217; the cursor toward the option they think the user wants should be preaching about usability.</p>
<p>I noticed Apple considered the number of patents the device contained as a selling point. It&#8217;s a hint of that creepy marketing attitude, like references to &#8216;shipping product&#8217; and <b>&#8216;SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS&#8217;</b>, that make you slightly uneasy to have been sharing these people&#8217;s excitement a moment before. Like when someone mentions God a little too spontaneously, just when you thought they seemed sane.</p>
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		By: Alex Holland		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-01-10-ipwn/#comment-9475</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an interesting story. My fianceÃƒÂ© has very bad RSI. She&#039;s tried various types of keyboard, but the only one she found that worked was the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fingerworks.com/ST_product.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Touchstream LP&lt;/a&gt;, which allows zero-pressure typing. The whole thing is basically two wodges of graphics tablet, completely flat, with a keyboard drawn on them. It uses clever multi-touch technology to know if you&#039;re typing, resting your hand, using it as a mouse touchpad, etc. It also supports gestures - drag to scroll, pinch to cut, reverse-pinch to paste, etc. Technology uncannily similar to the multi-touch on the iPhone, actually...

About eighteen months ago, just before we were going to buy one of these keyboards, a mysterious unnamed company bought Fingerworks and their entire patent library, slapped NDAs on everyone down to the factory caretakers, and shutdown production. The prices of the remaining keyboards rocketed, and we eventually managed to get on Ebay for about Ã‚Â£400.

So on the one hand, I think the iPhone looks fantastic. On the other hand, Apple are complete buggers for killing the only product that has allowed Pen and others to use a keyboard again, just for the sake of a little gadget that does neat stuff, and presumably gains them a hat made of money.

If they don&#039;t release some kind of iKeyboard soon (or integrate it into a laptop), I&#039;ll be annoyed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting story. My fianceÃƒÂ© has very bad RSI. She&#8217;s tried various types of keyboard, but the only one she found that worked was the <a href="http://www.fingerworks.com/ST_product.html" rel="nofollow">Touchstream LP</a>, which allows zero-pressure typing. The whole thing is basically two wodges of graphics tablet, completely flat, with a keyboard drawn on them. It uses clever multi-touch technology to know if you&#8217;re typing, resting your hand, using it as a mouse touchpad, etc. It also supports gestures &#8211; drag to scroll, pinch to cut, reverse-pinch to paste, etc. Technology uncannily similar to the multi-touch on the iPhone, actually&#8230;</p>
<p>About eighteen months ago, just before we were going to buy one of these keyboards, a mysterious unnamed company bought Fingerworks and their entire patent library, slapped NDAs on everyone down to the factory caretakers, and shutdown production. The prices of the remaining keyboards rocketed, and we eventually managed to get on Ebay for about Ã‚Â£400.</p>
<p>So on the one hand, I think the iPhone looks fantastic. On the other hand, Apple are complete buggers for killing the only product that has allowed Pen and others to use a keyboard again, just for the sake of a little gadget that does neat stuff, and presumably gains them a hat made of money.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t release some kind of iKeyboard soon (or integrate it into a laptop), I&#8217;ll be annoyed.</p>
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		By: Jason L		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-01-10-ipwn/#comment-9474</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, Apple&#039;s stuff is just as arbitrary as everyone else&#039;s. I was really enthusiatic about MacOS X until I used it as my primary work environment for five months of this year. Some of the most basic and common interactions are just completely lacking in underlying logic, in a way that&#039;s fundamentally different from Windows and the dozen or so X window managers I&#039;ve used. It took my grandmother a year to learn to do stuff on her Mac, and her desktop is a sight to make a strong man weep.

I also help a guy do what he wants in iTunes, which to be fair is actually quite a good program - otherwise I wouldn&#039;t have him using it, right? Things like the undocumented and invisible playlist sort field and its handling of duplicate tracks, though, seem actively obstructive. I also happen to have had a converation with a coworker yesterday who couldn&#039;t figure out how to get his iPod to sync more than once with iTunes; I&#039;ve never been impressed by the iPod, so making it the linchpin of their marketing and industrial design doesn&#039;t work on me.

I suspect Apple gets by on two things: first, as everyone&#039;s noticed for years, their purely visual elegance pulls in the doubloons from idiots. More subtly, I didn&#039;t use Macs during the pre-X days as they were completely irrelevant...but I suspect modern Apple stuff may be riding the reputation from a genuinely superior predecessor: See this essay by a former Mac industrial designer. http://www.asktog.com/columns/022DesignedToGiveFitts.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Apple&#8217;s stuff is just as arbitrary as everyone else&#8217;s. I was really enthusiatic about MacOS X until I used it as my primary work environment for five months of this year. Some of the most basic and common interactions are just completely lacking in underlying logic, in a way that&#8217;s fundamentally different from Windows and the dozen or so X window managers I&#8217;ve used. It took my grandmother a year to learn to do stuff on her Mac, and her desktop is a sight to make a strong man weep.</p>
<p>I also help a guy do what he wants in iTunes, which to be fair is actually quite a good program &#8211; otherwise I wouldn&#8217;t have him using it, right? Things like the undocumented and invisible playlist sort field and its handling of duplicate tracks, though, seem actively obstructive. I also happen to have had a converation with a coworker yesterday who couldn&#8217;t figure out how to get his iPod to sync more than once with iTunes; I&#8217;ve never been impressed by the iPod, so making it the linchpin of their marketing and industrial design doesn&#8217;t work on me.</p>
<p>I suspect Apple gets by on two things: first, as everyone&#8217;s noticed for years, their purely visual elegance pulls in the doubloons from idiots. More subtly, I didn&#8217;t use Macs during the pre-X days as they were completely irrelevant&#8230;but I suspect modern Apple stuff may be riding the reputation from a genuinely superior predecessor: See this essay by a former Mac industrial designer. <a href="http://www.asktog.com/columns/022DesignedToGiveFitts.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.asktog.com/columns/022DesignedToGiveFitts.html</a></p>
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		By: ade		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-01-10-ipwn/#comment-9468</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, not cheap but, yes, extremely impressive. I wonder how long it is until O2 are giving them away free with one year contracts. A while, I&#039;d imagine...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, not cheap but, yes, extremely impressive. I wonder how long it is until O2 are giving them away free with one year contracts. A while, I&#8217;d imagine&#8230;</p>
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		By: Dabs		</title>
		<link>https://www.pentadact.com/2007-01-10-ipwn/#comment-9467</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dabs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sounds good.  How much are these things?]]></description>
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