By Pentadact

Jason L: Are you the one mentioning AudioSurf? At that point you and another guy sound the same. If so, do you think anything about it? I was sort of disappointed. Has it improved since the betademo?

Pentadact: I think it's Tim who sounds a bit like me. I haven't played AudioSurf yet, so it's probably Tim talking about that.

Tim E: It amazes me that people can't understand that we have an episode 0 that we didn't actually put online until after Episode 1. Hence the entirely sensible numbering policy.

The only solution is to have a leap-podcast.

Possibly.

Pentadact: I still haven't actually played AudioSurf, but I've just been watching it being played in the office and it looks awesome. Why did it disappoint you?

ImperialCreed: I got hold of Audiosurf in the beta and love it still - the only downside to the thing is that it's only as good as your music collection. I tried playing a track of some Miles Davis and it was all over the place, just too damn hard. Interpol was just too boring. I found a sweet spot of NiN, Daft Punk, LCD Soundsystem and Clap Your Hands Say Yeah and haven't looked back. Disappointing? Hardly.

The_B: I believe Jason may possibly be dead inside.

ImperialCreed: Seconded

Pentadact: Played it at last; it's awesome. Varies a lot with the track, obviously, but most work really well. It actually does feel like a fresh way to play music - if I made music, I'd check each track with Audiosurf to see how it felt.

I suspect it'll be huge. As is, but more so if they port it to iPods, mobiles, PSPs. Perfect for commuters.

Jason L: I may well be, and I'm actually quite glad to hear the love pouring out past me in the gnoosphere. I certainly applaud it; it's the first visualiser thing in the history of ever that actually seems to pay attention to the music and correspond in some useful way. Every track is distinct and appropriate to the sound. Just for that it deserves to go down in history, and I want to love it.

The problem is that the game I played while listening to and watching the music immediately and persistently bored me to tears. I can collect these things! In groups! Of columns! Or something! And if I collect a bad one they turn grey! Or something! I'm not interacting with the music, and I can't tell whether I'm doing well or poorly because there is neither a generated target high score to pull me nor an opponent or even a rubber-band progress line to push. There's just too much boring mental paperwork in keeping track of the colour points hierarchy while avoiding making X group while waiting for a Y to appear in the Z column at random in service of a meaningless highscore. A line-following or obstacle avoidance game could have worked - as is, I found I was essentially trying to watch a fun toy while playing an overcomplicated pop-three so I regretfully gave up both.

Watch this: I gave it another shot before posting to make sure I wasn't saying anything grossly inaccurate. The final line of the first draft was a request that he make an edition with the game part turned off. Oh look, there's been an update. Now you have to sign in, which doesn't make me happy but for a free beta I'd be a jerk to complain. However, there is also now a 'freeride' option. Here, have some of my money, sir! I love Audiosurf now that I never have to play it again.

Seniath: My only problem with the Freeride is that you can't have it running in the background whilst doing something else. But then, I guess if I had less screen real estate that wouldn't be an issue, so nm. I'm somewhat hoping they don't port it to the iPod, for no doubt if they did, it'd be Touch only (I'd hate to try and control it with a click wheel), thus increasing my urge to plop down some insane amount of money for one.

Pentadact: I must admit I think it's a mistake to have you 'die' if you overfill a column - it kind of ruins your enjoyment of the song, and I think that's more important than the challenge of the game. I'd rather that column just stayed full, and if I want to free it up I have to match stuff or repaint it.

The_B: I think the main issue for you Jason is that you seem to be the sort of player that isn't motivated by an online high score. And that's fair enough - I agree that people who actively want more than that may come away thinking a little like it's not much more than a vizulisation. But for those that do like high scores, it's amazingly compelling to try and beat those scores - heck, even to just beat your friends rather than the world's high scores. I admit, little more than 18 months ago, I thought Achievements would be a flash in the pan, and couldn't see how exactly they would enhance gaming. But I've even suprised myself at how much of a motivator they and high scores can be to me.

And another half of the fun, I feel, is finding the tracks that make the best surfs.

Jason L: Oh, I like Achievements and leaderboards, me...or at least I fully expect to. I only finally got a 360 a couple of weeks ago, and only got time to tuck into the thing last Friday. I don't have the kind of addictive personality that goes for MMOs and Gamerscore, but I do like seeing the little Dings when it pops up an Achievement and I plan to take a pop at some lap times and Geometry Wars rankings on Live. Online and persistence in moderation are great.

The main problem for me isn't that online leaderboards per se are unable to substitute for a proper generated goal, but that these in particular just don't carry any meaning for me. I can't see the skill in this game. Sure, you can memorise where it throws a lot of reds and yellows and maybe even what stacks it drops them in. But is that even optimal? Should I take what I can get in blues? There's no feedback in the game to tell me when I'm doing well; only exhaustive and repetitive testing and calculation will tell, and in the meantime I'm recording numbers in some notebook while playing a pop-three. The greed ratio probably varies from song to song, too. Actually, is that what this game is about? Is the high-score competition fundamentally a memorisation competition? That's how it looks to me, am I just missing something big?

Anyway, in summary I can derive fun from online competition but in order to enable that the game has to first be some minimal level of fun on an immediate level. The core experience here, in my mind, was supposed to be me grooving to my music. The game part has no groove, no sense of momentum at all. I've also read on RPSh about a problem that hasn't affected me personally and won't - that it combines scores based on artist and title instead of a checksum. There's a strong argument to be made that that's the preferable route, but on the flipside it means that different versions of the song have different intrinsic scores and you can't tell if people are actually playing the same track as you. If I were trying to get stuck into online high scores that uncertainty would drive me frothing batty.

Jason L: Aargh, I was only trying to clarify my situation but I sound like I'm full of hate for Audiosurf. Not the case; again, it is a REZ that works with everything and I'm happy.

The_B: It is worth mentioning though that AS does have a report function, if someone has sn entirely different looking track to what you played.