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My browser had been acting weird since I tried – and uninstalled – Tab Mix Plus in the hope of solving an age old irritation with Firefox. I open everything in new tabs, and Javascript links wake up in this new existence with no clue to where they came from or what they were supposed to do. It didn’t work, and it made a lot of other things not work, so I started from scratch. Which really makes you realise the Firefox add-ons you can’t function without. Adblock Plus It’s unequivocally website piracy, and if it actually did become widespread, the internet would stop. There’d be nothing left. Just James, I guess, Wikipedia and Twitter. Those might have ads too, I wouldn’t know, I’ve been using Adblock a lot longer than them. Still, until it’s illegal, I’m using it. I’m virtually a communist, I think advertising is fundamentally morally wrong and would be banned in any healthy society. Luckily, in mine, it is! Greasemonkey Image Zoom InFormEnter Intelligent Middle Clickums Mycroft Project No Quicktime Plugin | ||
Chlorus: I'd recommend noscript. Its a bit of a hassle sometimes, but it does wonders for getting rid of annoying Flash movies. Also reduces your security risk surface by disabling plugins like Flash and Java that have poor track records.
TychoCelchuuu: Opera's the only Firefox plugin I use. It runs independently too so I don't even need to install Firefox.
Jason L: I have an enormous wad of installed extensions, but off the top of my head I probably wouldn't want to live without:
TabMixPlus, DownThemAll - basically come with FF out of the box ImgLikeOpera: I don't even have AdBlock installed, I just surf imageless by default. You'd be surprised how liberating it is. Want an image? Ctrl-rightclick, bam! Want to light up a page? Alt-M. I'm actually dreaming of learning XUL to add the inverse of one of ILO's modes, so I could load just the ads on sites I support. I'm serious, it turns out most images are bullshit. NoScript: As per Chlorus, it just eliminates so very many annoyances. You do get the occasional mess where a storefront redirects to another site that throws errors and takes a bit of tracing to enable, but on the whole it's a positive thing. FlashBlock: Finishes the job on annoying Flash, but mainly this is here to make Flash games and Youtube videos only start playing when I want to see them, not when the tab loads. InFormEnter: Right on. TreeStyleTabs: Lets you put open tabs in folders and subfolders which can be collapsed. Essentially the next metalevel of tabbed browsing. Especially nice (though in my case dangerously addictive) as a sidebar. Multiple Tab Handler: The obvious complement to TreeStyle. Nightly Tester Tools: Solely to override compatibility on extensions that are version-abandoned but still work fine. Linkification: Linkifies cations. Download Status Bar: I can manage all my routine downloads from a compact, elegant menu instead of a temperamental separate window? I think I will. It's actually a funny coincidence that you should start another Firefox party tonight, as it's just tonight that I'm taking another shot at finding a sane Firefox browsing history manager. It's hard to search through all the people spewing a million ways to delete the history. Does anyone know a good total History Manager replacement that I can use to go back in time, see when I visited pages and reopen some of them? I don't see anyone even trying. Am I the only person who thinks it's straitjacket-pissing INSANE for a 'history' manager to remove an address from the history while forcing the user's focus to travel back with it from the selected point in time to the top of the history, every single time an address gets clicked? How about not counting pages as 'visited' anew if they're loaded from a saved session, despite having to reload the data from the server and reflecting any data changes? Jaz: Disabling flash and java? How do you play webgames, like I do lots and lots and lots?
Jason L: Sites like Kongregate get permanent whitelists in my NoScript and with Flashblock, Flash content is replaced by a box with a play symbol. Click on the box, the game/video loads like normal and away you go.
Anonymous: "I think advertising is fundamentally morally wrong and would be banned in any healthy society."
How... what? I can't... ...What? Anonymous: Sorry to have to post two comments, but I don't think I really made my point in that last one. I'm expressing the fact that I don't understand how that idea makes any sense at all, and also justifies stealing bandwidth from every site that you visit.
So, yeah. Hopefully that clears things up. Iain Cheyne: Rather than use the search box, I prefer using smart keywords..
I haven't tried InFormEnter, but Sxipper is excellent. Phydaux: I've been looking for something like Intelligent Middle Clickums my whole internet browsing life. An addon that electrocutes the web designer who uses javascript as navigation would be good too.
Jaz: Advertising is pretty sneaky, I think. If we're talking about something traditional, like a big old coca cola billboard, it's an attempt to get you to go "oooh, I could go for that" when you were quite happy beforehand. More generally, it's an attempt to have coca cola be the cola just because it's everywhere.
In some countries, adverts for junk food and candy bars are banned during ad breaks for children's tv. I don't use ad blockers because I have a fascination with marketing and that sort of thing. I'd prefer to see all the ways companies are trying to get my attention and have little discussions with friends about how effective they are. FlashBlock sounds good though. Chrissam: I use Chrome. I hate Firefox. Opera is alrite but comes with too much stuff.
CaptainHairy: Instead of Mycroft, I set up my URL bar to default search to Yubnub (http://yubnub.org) which already has a vast array of search commands and other such things that users have written.
If ever I need to search a site I want to look through, I just need to type "ls " and Yubnub tells me what commands are already available for that site. For example, searching Ebay.co.uk is ebuk , or more exotically, to convert, say, £120 into dollars, you'd type "xe -from USD -to GBP -amount 120". It's probably the first thing I change when I get a fresh browser to work with, and the most annoying thing about using someone else's browser, and realising that 'gim' isn't going to take me to Google Image. DoctorDisaster: Firebug is absolutely the coolest add-on ever. I also have download statusbar and undo closed tabs on every computer I use.
Slamhound: I don't know why, but ever since I upgraded to a new PC (and the fresh OS install that entails) AdBlock has been useless. Completely and utterly useless.
Nothing I've been able to do has actually allowed it to block freakin' ads and popups. Okay, once ads have loaded on a page I can manually set ABP to block those particular ads in future, but only the individual ads that I tell it to block. Since then I've been gimping along. It would actually be nice to get ABP to work though. Obscure: FireGestures is absolutely the best add-on that I have. I'm pretty sure Opera comes pre-packed with something similar to it, but Firefox lacks it innately.
More or less, it lets you do stuff by right-click-and-dragging. Want to go to the next tab? Up-right. Re-open that tab you just accidentally closed? Right-left. Reload the page? Up-down. Want to view a tab's entire history? Right_click-scroll_up. Also, it lets you make your own combinations. Want to come here in just a few waves of the mouse? Bind the site to UDR, LUR, LDL, or whatever else you want. I'm literally lost without it. radomaj: NoScript: No.
I don't what sites those dudes use, but I never had a problem with "annoying JavaScript". What also happened, is that I had to whitelist so many times, that whatever I got out of it, I lost it in time spent to do it. Download Status Bar: Yes. So much. That is something I always installed when I used Firefox. Turns out it's in Chrome out of the box. You could try Chrome, if only for a day. "Rather than use the search box, I prefer using smart keywords.." and " Instead of Mycroft, I set up my URL bar to default search to Yubnub (http://yubnub.org) which already has a vast array of search commands and other such things that users have written." Smart keywords, you have to set up. Yubnub, you don't have to set up, but you have got to remember the keywords. Chrome does setting up automatically. Peraphrasing CaptainHairy For example, searching Ebay.co.uk is "e" or "eb" or "eba" (depending on how it ranks in the most visited sites beginning with those letters) in the "omnibar" and then TAB. More exotically, to convert, say, £120 into dollars, you'd type "£120 to USD", because when you don't use a keyword, it uses Google and it does currency conversion out of the box. "Firebug is absolutely the coolest add-on ever." Yes! No Chrome version makes me sad. "I also have download statusbar and undo closed tabs on every computer I use." Isn't the second one already built into Firefox? I also heard it as a selling point for TabMixPlus. What is up with that? I used mouse gestures for quite some time (2-3 years?), but when I started spending most of my time on the Internets talking with people I realized that if I have one hand on the keyboard, keyboard shortcuts are faster. The only time I think of gestures is when I surf one handed (eating?), but that happens rarely.
Jason L:
Are you similarly 'stealing bandwidth' if you let the ads load but don't look at them? If you look but don't click? If you click but don't buy?In at least one case, no. Viewers of RPS have been directly and unequivocally told - by Alec Meer, I think - that some of their advertisers pay purely on a per-presentation basis. It seems like an insane policy to me, but in that actual real-world situation loading or not loading an image leads directly to a content creator getting paid or not getting paid money. Jaz: @Jason L
Ah, but in that case, allowing an ad to load will satisfy the criteria of the per-presentation payment model, but it won't generate any sales for the company. Some ads pay per click, and the next logical extreme would be paying RPS a cut of every sale that originated from their site. Ewwwwww. Jason L:
Ah, but in that case, allowing an ad to load will satisfy the criteria of the per-presentation payment model, but it won't generate any sales for the company. ...satisfying Tom's hypothetical of an advertisement as 'a statistical gamble that revolves around consumer choice'. If you want to start a new line of argument out in the next ring of 'please support our sponsors', fine, but AdBlock does not click ads or purchase products. The advertiser is not an actor in this argument. I'm not making a moral judgment here; as implied above, I'm effectively adblocking virtually everything with possibly mitigating circumstances. The question of adblocking as a whole is uselessly complicated but remarkably uninteresting. All I'm saying is that the original proposition of 'bandwidth theft' was wholly confined to the interaction between the viewer's browser and the website and in at least one real situation Tom's slippery-slope argument doesn't fly. Jaz?: What's confusing me here is this:
"...satisfying Tom's hypothetical of an advertisement as 'a statistical gamble that revolves around consumer choice'." That was the point I was making, actually. I'm not sure what you thought I was trying to say. If you allow the image to load but don't look at it or click on it (or buy the product), you're making the statistical gamble a little less reliable or profitable for the company leasing the adspace. Blocking the ad prevents the money from going into the RPS account, but if you show the ad but don't look at it or click on it (or buy the product), you're making the statistical gamble a little less reliable or profitable for the company leasing the adspace. An adblocker allows someone who doesn't like advertising or ever click on ads to remove the niggle of flashing Battlefield Heroes banners from their gaming websites. The ad provider might feel justified in withholding payment from the site, or they might find some crazy way to force ads past the adblocker, but it doesn't change that they're never getting a return on their advertising dollar from that user. Jason L: So here's the timeline as I see it: 1. 'Anon' states that blocking ad presentations - the quid - while viewing a site's content - the quo - via AdBlock is 'stealing bandwidth'. (Not 'freeloading', not 'betraying the implicit social compact surrounding ad-based business models', 'stealing bandwidth'. While I may be focusing too precisely, I view that wording as significant. See below if you're a spod like me.) 2. Tom replies with a slippery-slope/reductio ad absurdum that that accusation is invalid because its logical extension is a moral requirement to click ads or buy products when you don't want to. 3. I point out that this does not hold in the case of per-presentation pay models, that these models do exist in the world, and therefore that the reductio ad absurdum does not hold universally and it is possible for the accusation of bandwidth theft to be valid.
Now, apparently my earlier argument skipped too many steps. Let us expand in excruciating anal-retentiveness on the verbiage I'm following: 'stealing bandwidth'. Who pays for bandwidth? In practically all cases, the site owner and only the site owner. Even in the ideal case with no revenue from merchandise sales, commissions, partnerships, subscriptions, donations etc., an advertising spend cannot reasonably involve the advertiser as an agent in any use of AdBlock: First, because barring the extremely rare case of an outright single sponsorship, any single advertiser pays only for an indeterminate and fluctuating fraction of the bandwidth bill for the site, and second, because any given credit paid by the advertiser can go to other costs of the site, such as food and/or beer for content creators. The chain of causality is severed in both directions. Thus, it is not sensible to invoke the advertiser as an agent. The advertiser is relevant only in that the advertising model determines whether we're in a situation in which a reader can choose to exchange an increased cost to the other party - the marginal (economic sense) cost of pushing the page from a server plus zero ad payment - for a benefit to him or herself - site content - through use of AdBlock. This is reasonably treatable as theft - taking a benefit at a direct marginal cost to the other party - rather than piracy, taking a benefit at zero marginal to the other party. Outside a per-presentation model the ethical question of AdBlock usage does indeed degenerate from theft to piracy, so I applaud Tom's initial careful distinction. Again, I'm only addressing his reply to the case of 'bandwidth theft', which I feel was overly general. I fully acknowledge that in the wider case of AdBlock site piracy, it is theoretically possible not only to cause no marginal cost by blocking ads but for a dedicated nonconsumer to do less harm to a content producer's bottom line by blocking an ad than by viewing it. That wider arena is where Tom's reductio applies, where your arguments are taking place, and where it is reasonable to treat the advertiser as an actor (who chooses to participate in a statistical gamble). That arena is different not only in degree from any possible case of bandwidth theft, but also in kind. In some cases that actually exist, turning on AdBlock is an act of bandwidth theft. That's all I'm sayin'.
Jason L: Shit, I forgot to add on - one possibly interesting facet that just now occurred to me is that in the world of print magazines like PCG, per-presentation is virtually the only advertising model.
Jason L: Just for the sake of philosophy:
'Stealing bandwidth' is presumably wrong because if everyone did it, ad-supported sites couldn't survive. The alternative, in my case, is to let the ads load but never click on them. If everyone did that, ad-supported sites still couldn't survive. This may also be true, but no. It's probably due a flaw in my understanding of Kant, but I do not find the Categorical Imperative convincing because it's so trivial to locate a situation in which failure to lie would be monstrous or impossible. Bandwidth theft is wrong in a way content piracy is not for the much more proximate, primate reason that one involves doing known or knowable harm to a person - and probably, given remotely normal reading habits, a person that you like.
EthZee: Can I suggest an addon which does nothing practical, but which is entertaining?
Mozilla FireSomething - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/31 It changes the window name from Mozilla Firefox into a randomly-generated (from a user-modifiable list) of root words. You could have Mozilla WaterPig, or Cyberdyne HyperMollusc, or +5 GigaCarp, or whatever. No useful purpose except deliberate silliness. It's fun. EthZee: EDIT: Ah, scratch that. It's for an older version of Firefox. Shame!
DoctorDisaster: @Pentadact: I got started with Firebug because I'm a graphic designer, and I do a lot of work on the web. Firebug is the fastest, most reliable way to road-test design ideas. Also, it eliminates a lot of annoying errors like CSS hierarchy problems — if the new rule will be superseded by an existing one, it crosses it out and shows you what the problem is. It's also great for collaborations: if you need to show a coworker something, it only takes a second, and if a collaborator screws something up it makes it really quick and easy to find out what's wrong.
I got so used to changing properties on the fly in my own designs, that now I do it during normal browsing. I use it to correct actual bugs, like cropped or distorted content or broken links, or just dumb design decisions, like crappy text/background contrast or font choice. It's also handy for making crap disappear, since we've mentioned stealing bandwidth; a few pay/registration walls cover the content with a big demanding div just begging for the "display:none;"hammer. Jason L: When you mentioned it before, DD, you said Firebug won't store your edits for future visits. Has that changed?
This article finally got me to put Stylish on again. I will never see another Youtube comment on my home computer. I'm so happy. Dr. Disaster: Jason: no, it's definitely not intended as a filtering tool. Using it for browsing is just something I do because I'm a dork and it's easy.
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